Lance Duncan
Okay, we are beginning recording for B6, the veiled society, one of the best city adventures I've ever seen.
Bruce Duncan
And I would definitely agree
Lance Duncan
for any RPG I've come across. Okay, so on page one. well, first question, how many times have you read this module?
Bruce Duncan
Twice
Lance Duncan
only twice?
Bruce Duncan
only twice
Lance Duncan
because I've run it. At least three, probably six. Somewhere between three and six.
Bruce Duncan
I ran it with my friends, the binghams. And then I ran it with you kids once.
Lance Duncan
huh, I remember it more than that.
Bruce Duncan
No. Yeah, you guys. Every time one of you wanted to be the dungeon master, this is the one you always picked.
Lance Duncan
Oh, really? So did Cassie or Bridget run this or
Bruce Duncan
Yes.
Lance Duncan
Oh, both of them, because I've run it two or three times for D&D and one for shadow run. One time for my own RPG that I made back when we were doing that,
Bruce Duncan
because it's a really well written dungeon
Lance Duncan
well and also I had Tristan run it.
Bruce Duncan
Yeah I remember that one
Lance Duncan
you weren't playing then were you?
Bruce Duncan
no you guys
Lance Duncan
yeah you were there, sometimes. you yeah what kind of weird because he decided to make them all orcs because someone was like Oh Are these all human? Is this a human city? and he's like oh, they're all orcs. that was when we were, we happened to be pirates. It was, I mean his changes were interesting and fun. Okay so you only ran it once I was surprised because I remember it being pretty common, like B2.
Bruce Duncan
Yes.
Lance Duncan
Okay. Oh
Bruce Duncan
it's so intricate. You really have to, as a dungeon master memorize almost And innumerable set of circumstances when you run it because so many decisions are made and lead you in different directions. And you've got to know when this one is this, and that one is that, and it doesn't work if you go at this time, but it does if you go at that time,
Lance Duncan
right. Well also, you made me forget what I was gonna say,
Bruce Duncan
Sorry.
Lance Duncan
lol... Well, yeah, like you have to really know it because, I don't remember. Whatever. I'll just get to the first question. So throughout the adventure, there's this narration from first person point of view of the of the bad guys of the Radu family. Did that help you run it? Did you, Did we ever get a hint of that as players?
Bruce Duncan
I don't think you've got a hint that it was a first person narration because I can't read well enough.
Lance Duncan
Well, like did you read that to us? Or did you
Bruce Duncan
no I did not.
Lance Duncan
You know, so we didn't. It was just it just flavor text. It was nice to read for you.
Bruce Duncan
Right
Lance Duncan
Okay. I wasn't sure if you ever incorporated that into your readings.
Bruce Duncan
No, you guys didn't have the full picture; you picked up here and there in your adventure of what was going on, but no one ever went through it. I did not let anybody read through that.
Lance Duncan
Yeah, not until we were actually running games at that time.
Bruce Duncan
Right.
Lance Duncan
And with that first person narration throughout it, did you enjoy reading it as fiction interspersed
Bruce Duncan
for me? Yeah. I mean, as difficult as it is for me to read, it did capture my attention.
Lance Duncan
And was it helpful?
Bruce Duncan
Yes.
Lance Duncan
Like it helped you to get a feel for what the adventure was about
Bruce Duncan
right. and If I had not read that, the timing and everything on the rest of the adventure would not have gone as smoothly. So that was that was good that they did that.
Lance Duncan
Okay. Because I'd say that's probably about a third of the text in here. It's really short. Oh, that's what I was going to talk about. the, the adventure overall. Like you said, it's really intricate, and you got to know everything. But it's also a great example of being concise because it's only Well, it's really less than 16 pages.
Bruce Duncan
Yes.
Lance Duncan
Let's see, there's monsters. There's the last page of the adventure is page 14. But the first two pages is really like, like half of it is about using the the fold ups. So, you could say it's 12, 12 and a half pages of actual adventure. And It's really concise. It's a great example of writing a good adventure in as few words as possible.
Bruce Duncan
Well see that's where the Dungeon Master's prerogative comes in. Because it gives you so much nuance to everything. If you're a good Dungeon Master, you have to embellish and to do it properly you need to know other things that most dungeon writers don't give you that this one does.
Lance Duncan
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. Okay, now a bit to the technical side. So with with the paper fold ups, did you use them? You said you photocopied them.
Bruce Duncan
I did build two houses. Two were different types. But as we were playing we still have the I don't know if it's pewter or what little metal
Lance Duncan
lead, they're usually Lead. Sometimes they're pewter, but Pewter is lead too so
Bruce Duncan
right. So we had some of those. So rather than cut the back page up, I used them instead. It just was not working, right.
Lance Duncan
So like during the chase scene you didn't really, the buildings didn't help?
Bruce Duncan
no. The floor plan was about all I knew. And the floor plan as you know, it is very sparse in this thing. So I had to make up my own floor plans.
Lance Duncan
Okay, so also, I don't know if you noticed, but like, so there's this small map on page one of specularum, which has hexes measuring distance, and then there's the, the smaller scale map. And there's a ruler to measure distance of the city. And that scale is way off from what's in the one in the book, the hex map.
Bruce Duncan
oh you noticed that too?
Lance Duncan
Well, when I was trying to georeference them for my karameikos map. So, did you notice that? how did you deal with that? Did you care?
Bruce Duncan
I didn't care. I just made it however big I wanted it to be. And it worked out way better that way.
Lance Duncan
Also, if you look closely, the shape is a little bit off
Bruce Duncan
just a little bit. Yes.
Lance Duncan
O kay. Okay. In here, it talks about the description of the city. There's, so the population is 5000 looking at a map of the city did . . . Okay. So with population 5000, and the look at the map, and the massive scale. Did you leave it 5000? Did you change the population Did you, You know?
Bruce Duncan
I changed the population to where, Yes, in the inner city It was 5000. in the outer city, There was more space between buildings.
Lance Duncan
Well, yeah, you look at the map, the streets are spread out,
Bruce Duncan
right. The inner city was 5000 Yes.
Lance Duncan
And also on the map on page one, you can see there's outbuildings outside the walls,
Bruce Duncan
right. So I figured that the real true total population of the entire area that was being serviced by this seaport was actually closer about 20.
Lance Duncan
Okay, okay. Yeah, I've been thinking about I've been thinking of several solutions, because it contradicts what came later. in gazetteer 1, which I know you didn't have. And I've been thinking of one solution, just make the inner city 5000. And since you had that in the game, and I'm keeping to our, I'm making that cannon for our games, I'm gonna, I'll follow that. so the inner city 5000 and the outer city, it might be different since my timeline is advanced from where we were.
Bruce Duncan
well, and also, the outer city varies you know. cause That's where that's where all the migrants, immigrants and vagabonds and everybody else like that lives and has a place. They are not allowed to live on the inner city. Only those who are well connected get to live on the inner city.
Lance Duncan
Okay, so like the noble district you'd have in the inner city,
Bruce Duncan
right
Lance Duncan
Not like
Bruce Duncan
no, I know it suggested that they were in one part way over there. But I said no, the nobles are the ones that will be that would be the first to defend it.
Lance Duncan
Yeah, cuz the the map in the gazetteer is a completely different map, the bay is completely different shaped. But they do have some districts I was thinking of putting those districts in different places. Whether this district is like a noble district, I forget what's called. So you would put the noble place inside the inner city.
Bruce Duncan
Yeah, closer to the castle.
Lance Duncan
Okay. Okay, what was I gonna ask? oh it talks about poachers in the Dukes Park, as PCs did we ever poach there? were ever caught or allowed in?
Bruce Duncan
No, you guys were not even allowed in the park.
Lance Duncan
Okay. There is a later adventure where we're, like, half of it is in the dukes park. You didn't have that, So . . .
Bruce Duncan
No
Lance Duncan
did you use the street map?
Bruce Duncan
Yeah, kinda sorta. Most of the time, it was more intricate than what that street map shows. But you guys used it as a frame of reference. Oh, we're in the big mall here.
Lance Duncan
So as players, we had access to that
Bruce Duncan
Yes.
Oh we're at the docks, oh we're at the wall
Lance Duncan
and
how did you handle the markets? Did you have them as big open spaces with four, a bazzar type thing?
Bruce Duncan
Only the one
Lance Duncan
cause there's three
Bruce Duncan
yeah
Lance Duncan
there's one big
Bruce Duncan
the other markets were so hemmed in and close that it was difficult to move around. But only the big one was wide open.
Lance Duncan
Okay. That's all the . . . , now on to the adventure. Okay, so as PCs, did we ever get to like meet the Duke or other powerful NPCs of the families?
Bruce Duncan
Oh, yeah. All of them. Sometimes not under good circumstances. And you had to fight your way out. But as far as the Duke itself, you were always on good terms with the duke. because you were bringing information that would make the city stable and peaceful. Which he was all for; other people were not so because they wanted to own the Dukeship. But you were able to make allies. because I save someone's daughter, this or that.
Lance Duncan
well like, was it usually one family or did it switch?
Bruce Duncan
It was between just the one family, but you were able to get another family to work with you. But then something came up and they split off again.
Lance Duncan
So which one did we befriend?
Bruce Duncan
I don't remember
Lance Duncan
cuz the Radu are the bad guys,
Bruce Duncan
right? It was never the Radu.
Lance Duncan
I think the Vorloi, yeah the vorloi are the newcomers.
Bruce Duncan
Yeah, the vorloi was more often than not the ones that you made friends with. And the other ones. The other ones, they would work with you. While they needed you, but they were there to take advantage of you mostly. And the Radus There was no alliances allowed because you weren't part of them. They were very snobbish.
Lance Duncan
Right. Did you ever use the coat of arms in game. did we ever see that?
Bruce Duncan
Yeah, you guys saw the coat of arms. I showed you that much. because it was critical for you guys to know where you were, what part of the city you were in, and what protocols you had to observe while you were there.
Lance Duncan
Okay. So All right, so into the adventure. So when we enter the city we're supposed to have our weapons bound at the entrance and pay a fee. How did that go with the players?
Bruce Duncan
Not well with some of them. because the weapons you guys had By that time, were so sharp that when you try to bind them, they just kind of fall off.
Lance Duncan
Oh, wow.
Bruce Duncan
So it was, difficult to keep them appearing bound
Lance Duncan
were we able to convince the guys that we don't have to pay anything.
Bruce Duncan
No.
Lance Duncan
Okay, so we always paid
Bruce Duncan
you always paid.
Lance Duncan
Okay, so at the very beginning there's a festival of Lucor where there's a disturbance. Who was Lucor, you know, St. Lucor, and how did you Have that?
Bruce Duncan
I don't remember, but I do remember the bear.
Lance Duncan
There's a dancing bear, right?
Bruce Duncan
Yes, there's a dancing bear
Lance Duncan
yeah, I remember that.
Bruce Duncan
And you guys were able to give the bear enough booze that he was fine.
Lance Duncan
Okay, so there's the outbursts between the two different factions, you know, they don't say they're from the factions. But how did we How did the PCs react to that?
Bruce Duncan
Most of the time, they didn't want any part of it unless they were already in their investigations.
Lance Duncan
Which we weren't because that's the very entrance, right?
Bruce Duncan
Well, there was, when the first time I went through it, they were so into studying every single little step that they were taking into the city that they learned a lot before they got there.
Lance Duncan
wow, before the first event happened, they were already knowing stuff?
Bruce Duncan
Yes.
Lance Duncan
Okay. But when us kids went through it, we didn't know
Bruce Duncan
you kids are just meh . . . the binghams, when I had them, this was not their first adventure. In fact, it may have been like, they were well into Dungeons and Dragons, they had higher level characters like sixth. so that I really had to spice this up for them.
Lance Duncan
Well, you know, this is supposed to be for like, what is it? Where's it say? I don't see it. Oh, 1-3. But the thing is, there's not a lot of fighting here. So it's really more intrigue. It's more about roleplaying than it is about fighting. So it doesn't matter what level you are.
Bruce Duncan
true . . ., but it helps to know the
Lance Duncan
it makes a difference for experienced players.
Bruce Duncan
Yes, it does. And I really had to do that. So With all their inquiries, they learned an awful lot before they came up to the disturbance.
Lance Duncan
Right. Okay, so after the disturbance. so you said the Binghams had already figured all this stuff out. So us kids after disturbance did we ask about the different factions?
Bruce Duncan
Yeah, that's after the disturbance. That's when you guys started actually asking questions and figured out that this wasn't a
Lance Duncan
the three different factions?
Bruce Duncan
Yeah, this wasn't a dungeon crawling where you kill everything in sight.
Lance Duncan
Okay, so on page five oh we, there's a chance that we get pickpocketed without ever. . .
Bruce Duncan
Oh, yeah. Several times.
Lance Duncan
Did we catch anyone did they get away with it
Bruce Duncan
once you caught someone and eventually they got away anyway, but still, you know, it's just, it's city life, you lose things if you don't pay attention.
Lance Duncan
Right. Okay, so after we find an inn. So we're supposed to, basically, there's two different people that that are supposed to approach us and try to get us. You know, this is the starting, of splitting into joining the two different factions. did that ever work? Did we actually accidentally go on opposite sides? Did we actually join one of these factions?
Bruce Duncan
You guys were like, for a few dollars more and playing both sides.
Lance Duncan
Okay, so it did work.
Bruce Duncan
Oh, yeah. the binghams. They tried to stay away from picking sides, but they were forced into it. And they made very good choices. But at the same time, because they had to pick sides. They had to let the other sides know, because they were very honest people and felt that it was important that they know I'm working with these people right now you really shouldn't be doing this. And you guys, on the other hand, were just the opposite.
Lance Duncan
Can we get as much money as we can? Yeah, exactly.
Bruce Duncan
Yeah. And then cover your tracks so that nobody could tell it was you
Lance Duncan
Okay, so the first real dungeon crawl, if you want to call it a dungeon crawl. So there's an old woman who asked for help. How hard was it to get us to help?
Bruce Duncan
not hard at all for you guys. For the binghams, the guy really definitely wanted to help but the girls his wife and his sister in law, really were suspicious. So They went with him in trepidation. You guys, eh, an adventure finally! you were tired of the city.
Lance Duncan
Okay, so in the tunnels there's a caped, hooded, man, did we ever capture him?
Bruce Duncan
There were several caped men. Yeah, there were several. You were able to capture one once. And he made it a point to drink a potion that killed him.
Lance Duncan
Okay. So, did we ever let any, capture, Well, since we only played once, I guess
[Excerpt: talking to my sister]
Lance Duncan
Okay, so continuing. What was I talking about? Oh, the caped men, so we captured him, but we didn't release him because he was already dead.
Bruce Duncan
No Well, not before you got to see that he was going to die.
Lance Duncan
Yeah. So with the kobolds, did we fall for their trick where they collapse the tunnel on us with, they break the beams.
Bruce Duncan
Yep. And You went scurrying back where, Or at least thought you were scurrying back. I made sure you weren't.
Lance Duncan
Oh, okay. But like we didn't get hurt because of that.
Bruce Duncan
No.
Lance Duncan
Okay, so after this whole thing, then the cops show up and arrest us. How did we prove our innocence? Or were we hung?
Bruce Duncan
you were not hung. You proved your innocence by mentioning a few names and having a medallion given to you by certain families. I don't remember which one it was, because you guys were already double agents by then.
Lance Duncan
Because it does hint that we could be helped by the veiled society to get out of this situation.
Bruce Duncan
Right.
Lance Duncan
Did that happen?
Bruce Duncan
I think it was the veiled society. Yeah
Lance Duncan
Oh okay so after we get out, did we pick up on the clues we found underground?
Bruce Duncan
yeah you guys were good at that
Lance Duncan
you know there's the, can tell the lady was strangled, the red hair, the dried blood, hemp rope. Did we catch all of them or only some of them?
Bruce Duncan
You caught all of those.
Lance Duncan
Okay, so there's the message that the dead lady left on the floor. It says here. did we, were we able to interpret that message?
Bruce Duncan
not at first. But you guys kept asking about it. And so I kept leading you on to where you could actually eventually interpret it.
Lance Duncan
Okay, Oh, there's a wine that we find. Do we link the wine to the . . . what's my question? Oh, yeah. Do we link the presence of wine to the murder scene as one of the clues?
Bruce Duncan
Yes.
Lance Duncan
Okay. The the brown liquid, I think it was on the floor. And there's a, we're supposed to find a map. Yeah. So in the guest house, we, I think it's in the guest house. Yeah. So there's the wine. And then there's a map that marks buildings of the tunnels we were in. did we connect the dots with that?
Bruce Duncan
right. Yes, you did.
Lance Duncan
Okay, so then it goes onto the riot. So with the riot, So the riot happens and then some horsemen come in to stop the riot. did we fight them? Did we try to escape?
Bruce Duncan
There were people in the riot that you guys knew that you tried to get to not riot. And were able to escape. But you guys were spotted by the horsemen. And again, the veiled society had to come in. How shall I say, vouch for your integrity? In fact, that's when you were called upon by the Duke himself.
Lance Duncan
Okay. Because it also gives us the option of, because there's the orator who started the riot, okay, and he escapes and also gives us the option to follow him so we didn't follow him. We went to the Duke at the end.
Bruce Duncan
well, you were requested to go to the Duke. Because they knew which building you guys had gone into, the horsemen, and they stuck around. And when you came out, that's when you were apprehended.
Lance Duncan
Okay. And at the Duke, what did he have to say to us?
Bruce Duncan
He had asked what all information you guys had and you told him you're double spying. he said that was a smart move, continue and find out more information and come back and tell me. because he wanted to know what's going on in the city. and you were the, you were outsiders and you're already proven yourself as double spies, double agents. So now your an official agent for the duke.
Lance Duncan
Okay, so the Duke was asking us to work for him basically.
Bruce Duncan
Yeah. All information that you guys acquired was supposed to be returned to him. he even gave you special messaging scrolls. I don't remember how they worked.
Lance Duncan
Well, there's a special magic item in the book of marvelous magic that does that. Yeah. I think it's the book of marvelous magic. It might be the companion set
Bruce Duncan
something, I think it's something to do with you would write on your page and it appears on his
Lance Duncan
yeah. It's a pair of scrolls that they match together. Yeah At this point, you hadn't given us a rings of communication like you did later.
Bruce Duncan
Yeah, that was something I thought of later.
Lance Duncan
Yeah. Okay, anyway. Oh, so we didn't catch the orator that incited the riot.
Bruce Duncan
No.
Lance Duncan
Okay. There's the escape, leading the riot . . . So we didn't lead the riot and fight the everyone?
Bruce Duncan
No.
Lance Duncan
Because it also leads into pikemen and stuff later, I think. But we didn't have to deal with that. We just went and hid and then went to the Duke.
Bruce Duncan
Right.
Lance Duncan
Okay. page ten. well since we weren't in the riot, you didn't actually use the mob system it determines here
Bruce Duncan
No.
Lance Duncan
Okay, because it gives a special thing for the mob to determine what the mob does. You didn't use that. Did you use that in the other game?
Bruce Duncan
Yes. Because they did get caught in the riot because they were going after the guy that was inciting the riot. Okay.
Lance Duncan
Okay, continuing from that, okay, so since we're working as triple agents for the Duke
Bruce Duncan
and because you're working with the duke, guess who you now had an in with? the Radu or whatever their name was
Lance Duncan
while the Radu are the bad guys but yeah,
Bruce Duncan
yeah, but see the bad guys were high up on the Duke list
Lance Duncan
That's true.
Bruce Duncan
Yeah and so because of that he had you watching them as well. Okay, he had you watching all three factions
Lance Duncan
Right, Okay. And currently no one, Well besides the radu, knew who the veiled society was?
Bruce Duncan
right
Lance Duncan
Okay, so at that point did we follow our different jobs that were given to us by the different factions? you know, to go the senator and to the other one
Bruce Duncan
yeah but you didn't do them in order and and didn't do them immediately. Yeah, tried to make it look like to all parties involved that you were on their side, which was a difficult juggling match.
Lance Duncan
Yeah. Because one of us was supposed to go. So one group was supposed to go to the Jade sea, the ship at the docks and another one to vintners lane,
Bruce Duncan
right. And when you guys were escorting the prince
Lance Duncan
its a Senator
Bruce Duncan
and you're escorting the senator back from the docks. You saw each other in each other's, in the two different parties
Lance Duncan
cuz we're supposed to ambush each other
Bruce Duncan
Yeah.
Lance Duncan
That didn't work out?
Bruce Duncan
you guys were the lead in both situations
Lance Duncan
okay.
Bruce Duncan
And upon seeing each other, you all figured it out simultaneously and concocted a plan to get the senator escaped, but get the other people thinking that you got the senator and all, it was messed up, it was hard.
Lance Duncan
so the senator, His name is Simion I think, so he lived, and we got him to the house He's supposed to go to
Bruce Duncan
yes
Lance Duncan
But we were still in good with the veiled society
Bruce Duncan
yes.
Lance Duncan
Great planning.
Bruce Duncan
You guys were really, most of this planning, you gotta hand it to Cassie and Heidi,
Lance Duncan
right. Okay, so the chase scene. Did that work out? Well, did the chase scene start, did we go through the chase?
Bruce Duncan
Remind me of what the chase scene was.
Lance Duncan
So we're, Well there's a, okay so it says read the following. There's shouting and we, so we go towards noise and then there's an arrow. We're supposed to chase the person who shot the arrow
Bruce Duncan
right. Yes you did.
Lance Duncan
Okay. so, Did we lose the attackers? Did they lose us?
Bruce Duncan
No. you followed them all the way to the lair
Lance Duncan
did we did we capture them?
Bruce Duncan
Well, you made it to the room and then were going Oops.
Lance Duncan
Okay, because it leads to the blue water mead Hall. But from early in the adventure we're supposed to get clues about the blue water mead hall
Bruce Duncan
right,
Lance Duncan
so did we go there voluntarily? or the chase scene first?
Bruce Duncan
You were chased scene to the blue water mead hall. because you hadn't gotten around to that one yet.
Lance Duncan
Okay. Which leads to the secret lair of the veiled society. did we find that, How did that work?
Bruce Duncan
Yeah, you guys found that and you bluffed your way pretty good through that. But then someone recognized you because they'd seen you talking with one of the other factions and your charisma
made it to Where they accepted your answer that you were infiltrating to find out what you could to help out the veiled society.
Lance Duncan
Right.
And at this meeting we're supposed to see the the guy who murdered the noble lady. were we able to catch him?
Bruce Duncan
Yep.
Lance Duncan
Like right afterwards?
Bruce Duncan
Yep.
Lance Duncan
And also there's antonito radu, did we catch him, or not catch him? Because he went a separate way.
Bruce Duncan
Well, you'd seen him later. you recognized him later in the adventure and were able to apprehend him without his goons.
Lance Duncan
so That was at a different time.
Bruce Duncan
Yes.
Lance Duncan
do you remember anything specific about that?
Bruce Duncan
no, just randomly someone recognized him. I rolled, and Yep, someone recognized him. And you were able to sneak up on him and get him. You brought him all the way back to the Duke and let the Duke deal with it
Lance Duncan
Okay, so also at the very end of the, in the secret chambers there's a prison cell where there's an elf, part of the Dukes elven guard. did we free him, did he adventure with us, what happened?
Bruce Duncan
You freed him and gave him a potion of invisibility so that he could make it back to the Duke and let him know what was going on and that you guys had freed him. keeping the Duke in the loop and you in the good graces with the Duke.
Lance Duncan
Also at the very end, there's the opportunity to. . . last question. So at the very end we have the opportunity to fight or capture cartha radu, did we ever catch him?
Bruce Duncan
No, he got loose but he is now banned from the city by orders of the Duke.
Lance Duncan
and zweis, asks for help. Did, and offers us a reward? Oops, there's the baby falling on his head. Okay, I guess he's okay. So what happened there with cartha and zweiss,?
Bruce Duncan
she was taken into the keep of the Duke and never seen again.
Lance Duncan
Okay, so after all this happened, we report to Duke I assume.
Bruce Duncan
Right. and the Duke is so enthralled with your investigative abilities and aid in calming the community that he made you honorary members of the court. Okay. So anytime you come to town, you have a free place to stay.
Lance Duncan
Okay. So what were the long term ramifications in the city like, of the different factions? What was the political atmosphere of the city after we have done this?
Bruce Duncan
Well, with your aid, you were actually able to make everybody see reason except for the Radus. And they all started to get along better, because they were all under the threat of the Duke if they didn't, and his army was far superior to that of theirs. And after this whole fiasco, I figured out his spy network was way better than any of theirs
Lance Duncan
So this whole adventure that we went through, increased the power and influence of the Duke throughout the city?
Bruce Duncan
Yes
Lance Duncan
Okay, so the Duke has a stronger hand,
Bruce Duncan
right. He can actually leave the castle now.
Lance Duncan
I also have another question in general about specularum and the Duke. so How did you play the Duke? Was he the beloved Duke, a benevolent ruler that he's described later in later publications or did you have him be more realistic?
Bruce Duncan
He was ruthless. But he also had a keen head and knew what would make a community of that size work and what wouldn't. and his whole idea was to get the community on its on its feet well enough that he could actually leave and still be in control not being there.
Lance Duncan
Okay, so you would describe him as like an iron fisted ruler, typical, medieval feudal lord?
Bruce Duncan
but merciful, in obvious situations
Lance Duncan
right. He's wise.
Bruce Duncan
Yes,
Lance Duncan
he's wise, but he's also a feudal lord.
Bruce Duncan
Yes, definitely. He was definitely a feudal Lord.
Lance Duncan
Did you have him be a Direct conquerer or a descendant of people who conquered the land
Bruce Duncan
or he had conquered some, But it was his ancestors that started it. And that's why he was so, That's why he was so cognitive about how to make the city work.
Lance Duncan
Oh, also because in later publications, it has him have three children, I think. did you have him have kids? What were your plans for the succession?
Bruce Duncan
succession was going to be the oldest, it wasn't going to be a guy. It was going to be a girl. And there was a wedding that you guys wished to attend.
Lance Duncan
I don't think we ever did that.
Bruce Duncan
No, you didn't. But you got the invitations.
Lance Duncan
All right. Do you have any more comments?
Bruce Duncan
It became your port of entry when you decided to go out to the isle of dread.
Lance Duncan
Yeah, well, it kind of says that in the isle of dread adventure anyway.
Bruce Duncan
Yeah, but you were so well known that everybody was happy to see you guys. You were recognized by almost everybody in the town.
Lance Duncan
So we were actually put, able to put together an expedition, not just ourselves?
Bruce Duncan
Oh, yeah.
You had three ships.
Lance Duncan
Okay. Was this was this where Paul? My cleric paul got his ship? Or was it somewhere else?
Bruce Duncan
This was where he got his ship. Okay.
Lance Duncan
Cuz I know had I forget what type of ship it was? I think it's written on the character sheet. Yeah. Do you remember which players went through this adventure? Or which characters?
Bruce Duncan
No, not anymore.
Lance Duncan
Because if Paul got a ship there, was he the one who was doing it or was it one of my other characters?
Bruce Duncan
Paul was there but by then you guys were already playing two characters at a time.
Lance Duncan
Yeah. Yeah. Okay, 
all right. I guess that's it for B6
all right. I guess that's it for B6
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